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Da Rk Bl Ad E · Jul 27, 2008, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

I'd rather mesmers be given an elite form of backfire and empathy as two seperate skills than SS.

out of interest how would you go about making backfire elite? It's already pretty powerful in PvE imo anymore and it might get a bit silly

zwei2stein · Jul 27, 2008, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Of course, but even Monks have AoE damage dealing skills.

That's because in GW each single profession has a bit of everything.
There are no professions without self-heals.
There are no professions without an AoE damage-dealing skill.

And wast majority of such skills sucks outside skill lines/clases that are designed to do that job.

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Anyhow, this discussion was relevant two years ago. If mesmers started with SS as their elite it would have solved most of reasons for them being PvE outsiders.

Anet had their chance three times:

Anytime during prohecies vanilla to add "missing" elite skill. SF was perfect opportunity as it gave new area for caps, as for mesmer outsiderness and SS coolness and SS being messie skill were both apparent.

It could have been one of factions elites. Or NF elites. Considering generall lameness of mesmer elites in those chapters, 1:1 clone of SS woudl have been fresh air of originality.

They *still* have ongoing change to add that missing elite but its pointless now, mesmer problems were brute force solved year ago *cough*they became bearable*cough*

upier · Jul 27, 2008, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Necros are Anets pets, and mesmers their whipping boys. That's been the case for at least two years.

Of course!
There needs to be an easy mode in every game.

WTB:
Soul Reaping.
[enfeebling blood]
[Barbs]
[reckless haste]

It's not the shitty elites that hurt the mesmer - it's the crappy non-elites/primary.

Not signed - since the effect of Assassin's outclasses everything that this skill could be. So it doesn't make sense to add it.

kostolomac · Jul 27, 2008, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

I'd rather mesmers be given an elite form of backfire and empathy as two seperate skills than SS.

I have an idea to turn [Visions of Regret] into a more empathy-like skill. The damage would be lower than now , but it would trigger with every skill that would harm you or your allies.

If A.net really wants to help mesmers , give them a FC or insp elite with a nearly identical effect to AP. Lyssas' promise or something.

zwei2stein · Jul 27, 2008, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by upier

Not signed - since the effect of Assassin's outclasses everything that this skill could be. So it doesn't make sense to add it.

There needs to be something for scrubs to go OMGADDZORTEHMEMEROORTOTEHPARTYZOR, click invite to party button and refrain from clicking kick one.

Secondary profession elite that does not do damage and is from assassin class (!!!) does not really help with that.

upier · Jul 27, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

There needs to be something for scrubs to go OMGADDZORTEHMEMEROORTOTEHPARTYZOR, click invite to party button and refrain from clicking kick one.

Secondary profession elite that does not do damage and is from assassin class (!!!) does not really help with that.

The last time A.Net balanced the game with scrubs in mind they came up with Ursan. Sorry, I meant to say CoP.

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Originally Posted by kostolomac

If A.net really wants to help mesmers , give them a FC or insp elite with a nearly identical effect to AP. Lyssas' promise or something.

That's officially the single best idea EVER how to help PvE mesmers.
LP would then give SR like e-gain which combined with chaos nukes and the ability to abuse secondaries could really do wonders for mesmers.

Da Rk Bl Ad E · Jul 27, 2008, 07:19 PM // 19:19

Anet don't need to "help" mesmers, they are already very powerful in both pve and pvp. And what's with all this "Mesmers can't get groups for stuff in pve" QQ nonsense. Here's a tip..Don't pug, and even if you did you'll have no problem getting a group as a mesmer for general pve as most people know that they can do well. People are just making it sound like a bigger deal that it is.

Numa Pompilius · Jul 27, 2008, 08:13 PM // 20:13

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Yeah, that's why, uhm, they nerfed the N primary attribute, they removed energy gain from spirits, they removed pets leaving corpses, and uh...

Yeah, the soulreaping nerf... all it did was cap soul reaping energy gain to a maximum of 10 pips of energy. Yeah, that's right: 10 pips. And if 10 pips of energy isn't enough, well, then Necros have some really nifty energy management skills like Signet of Lost Souls. And they're tied to their primary attribute so riff-raff like, say, Mesmers can't use them. Sweet deal.
The changes to pets and spirits was because before the necro didn't even need to kill enemies and make minions to get those 10 pips of e-regen.

The infinite energy of necros is the whole basis of the two most effective PvE H/H builds right now, Sabway and, uh, Discordway: make lots of cheap minions which die and give your necros those +10 pips of energy so they can spam skills on recharge with reckless abandon.

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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

[empathy] [insidious parasite]
compare them first please

We're talking an SS necro: 16 curses, 12 domination. Compare them first please.

Miska Bow · Jul 27, 2008, 09:11 PM // 21:11

SS: Great for farming snowman; but until they come out with a skill that gets foes to bunch up in pve i'll use [Icy Veins]

Maybe Anet could make the missing elite for mesmer just that:

Mob group Hug: For the next 3...10 sec all hostile foes bunch up for a group hug so SS can be usefull in pve.

That '' forgot elite skill'' for mesmer could be soooo much better then SS.

Cherng Butter · Jul 27, 2008, 10:32 PM // 22:32

I generally enjoy mesmers that run gimmick builds with Sig of Illusions, CoP, Ebon Vanguard Sin, AP, Finish Him!, etc... Ursan not so much :P

bhavv · Jul 28, 2008, 02:04 AM // 02:04

You missed hex eater vortex and shatter hex from the AoE mesmer skill lists.

Winterclaw · Jul 28, 2008, 02:19 AM // 02:19

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Originally Posted by Da Rk Bl Ad E

out of interest how would you go about making backfire elite? It's already pretty powerful in PvE imo anymore and it might get a bit silly

I'd either lower the cost and recharge of the elite version or I'd give it a small amount of AoE damage whenever it triggers. About 25%-30% of its normal damage will be done to up to 3 others near the hexed character.

Enix · Jul 28, 2008, 05:10 AM // 05:10

Most of the naysayers seem to be missing the point. In PvE hexing or interrupting a single target usually kills that one target, but then you have a soft target in your party that not that useful as they wait for energy or skills to recharge.

Why hex something with Empathy for 16 seconds when the target is going to be dead in 4 seconds? Guess that is what wands are for... /sarcasm.

Mesmers simply dont make sense in PvE because 1) FC is useless in PvE (or generally), 2) Powerful Mes skills are overshadowed by other classes who do MORE and do it Better (BHA + Epidemic + Volley + 80/100 armor = No Mesmer Need Apply), 3) Mesmer "AoE" is mostly niche or farming skills (SV, Archane Connundrum).

Thizzle · Jul 28, 2008, 05:50 AM // 05:50

There's only a couple skills that are useful in PvE that is Mesmer AoE based.